In reply to my last post, Hilda wrote this :
1) Ford Genk
Sorry, but getting fired is from all times. Just call it bad luck, although getting a terminal desease is eaven more bad luck, right? Next, with or without unions, when fired and in any circumstances,it's up to you and only you to find another source of income or new standards.
Totally agree. I just wonder why there is a difference between firing 50 people and firing 3000? Is it just the higher number of layoffs that triggers a ton of extra things to be available/done? Actually, my example might have been badly chosen from the start, as there are essential differences between Ford Genk and ICT Assistance.
2) criminals
If not more, I'm as radical versus criminals as you. But some people/kids are raised with different norms. E.g. In poor countries, fill up a car's tank and flee without paying is a normal attitude. I certainly don't preach generous tolerance, but sometimes radical thoughts need more insight. Comes to it that newsreporters are paid for bringing captivating news. Still, justice in Belgium is still one big joke.
The fact that journalists are paid to bring the juicy stories to the people has not really anything to do with, although if one was to base their opinion *only* on those cases, it would be very far from the reality.
There are cultural differences and various ways of doing something, no question about that. But show me one country where it's legal/acceptable to rob people, kill them etc. As far as I know, there are none. Even if there was such a country, if people raised in such a climate would come over to a society that does not accept that kind of behavior, they should adapt to those new rules.
If they keep on doing it the way they have done it all their life, and the legal system does not react to those inappropriate things (when compared to our norms), people will get fed up with and start taking action themselves. Which would probably lead to the offender that knowlingly broke the law to be punished quite severely, and the "poor uneducated offender that had not enough knowledge about our society" be send off with a slap on the wrist. You can fool some people some time, but you can't fool all the people all the time.
3) votes
I'm against the right to vote for non EU-immigrants, even for non-Belgian immigrants. If they like to meddle in Belgian politics, let them naturalize=become Belgian citizens.
I agree, what else is there to say. The typically Belgian compromise they're creating right now will only lead to more conflicts - which could be exactly what some people are aiming for of course.
Oh boy! I just read your last sentences: "unless it's something intelligent and noteworthy that you want to add/say about these topics, don't bother commenting." I should have kept my mouth, right?
No, you've done pretty well :)
I totally agree with you about the Ford people. It's just the same as the Philips people. They all were paid a big amount of money when they were fired. Ok, getting fired is bad but there is a difference if you get fired with money paid or not. In the first case you have to search a new job but you still have enough money to survive some months and if you find a new job immediately you receive 2 pay-checks so you have more money than before. In the second case (just like us)you just have nothing, you receive a lot of shit and you have to explain with a lot of administration how much and why you need to receive some money. The shit is that you loose money in every way and nobody cares about it. Ok the situation is not really the same and in my opinion those people don't need to act as if it's the end of the world, they should be happy that their bosses were so decent to tell the bad news in front. They should have been in our situation, we didn't had a choise, nobody looked for another job for us, our boss hasn't told us in front that the situation was bad, we just received no more paiements and the big joke of all was that we always had to act happy because the motherfucker was depressed.
Conclusion : they get fired ok bad news, the union is negotiating their money ok good news so it's up to them what they do with the money and they have an outplacement-project so normally they can find work soon.
Conclusion2 :
We could have done this:
1. We were stupid enough for not hiring some lawyers because we could have gone for a case against the motherfucker, we should have asked for money for all the mental suffering. Because we were the only 3 who really were the victim of his mental dissability.
2. We could have locked him out in the beginning of 2002 and taken over the firm.
3. We could have stolen everything, why ? He did it before he went to court, so we should have done it before him.
4. We could have killed him, ok maybe we were in jail at the moment, but we received the satisfaction.
So maybe I'm totally full of shit right here but I saw the fucker and he's driving a brand new BMW 5, is that normal for someone who lost his firm and "a lot of money", no I don't think so !
Oh and another thing : Which stopped all of their activities a month ago and Banksys is taking over all the terminals, what a joke !
Talking about the criminal part of this post: I just fell of my seat when I read that the parents of the 17-year old ARMED ROBBER are filling a complaint against the police because it is not normal to shoot down a THIEF. In Belgium it seems to be normal to have a lawsuit against you when you even fart in the vicinity of an 'Allochtoon' (Don't know the English word, sorry). Where is it all going to? If it would have been a belgian boy (or for that matter any other race, nothing would have happened. But o no, the cops do a house search and again there are almost riots in Antwerp (AGAIN)).